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      ISBN-13: 978-1-5095-4230-7

      ISBN-13: 978-1-5095-4231-4 (paperback)

      A catalogue record for this book is available from the British Library.

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      Names: Bauman, Zygmunt, 1925-2017, interviewee. | Haffner, Peter, 1953-interviewer.

      Title: Making the familiar unfamiliar : a conversation with Peter Haffner / Zygmunt Bauman ; translated by Daniel Steuer.

      Other titles: Vertraute unvertraut machen. English.

      Description: Cambridge, UK ; Medford, MA : Polity Press, 2020. | Includes bibliographical references. | Summary: “The last interview of one of the greatest social thinkers of our time”-- Provided by publisher.

      Identifiers: LCCN 2020012868 (print) | LCCN 2020012869 (ebook) | ISBN 9781509542307 (hardback) | ISBN 9781509542314 (paperback) | ISBN 9781509542321 (epub)

      Subjects: LCSH: Bauman, Zygmunt, 1925-2017--Interviews. | Sociologists--Poland-- Interviews. | Civilization, Modern--20th century. | Sociology--Philosophy.

      Classification: LCC HM479.B39 A5 2020 (print) | LCC HM479.B39 (ebook) | DDC 301.092--dc23

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      The conversations with Zygmunt Bauman that form the basis of this book took place on 10 February 2014 and 21–23 April 2016 at his home in Leeds, England. In addition, Bauman provided me with notes containing biographical information and thoughts on various topics, as well as with excerpts from his then forthcoming book Retrotopia, and he asked me to make use of certain passages of these written sources as answers to some of my questions, so that he would not need to repeat himself in conversation. He also asked me to make use, at one point, of his answers to two questions that had been put to him in an interview conducted by Efrain Kristal and Arne De Boever and published under the title ‘Disconnecting Acts’ in the Los Angeles Review of Books of 11/12 November 2014. In total, the passages based on all these written sources amount to about a dozen pages of the text.

      My 2014 interview appeared on 4 July 2015 under the title ‘Die Welt, in der wir leben’ [The world we live in] in Das Magazin (the Saturday supplement of Tages-Anzeiger, Basler Zeitung, Berner Zeitung and Der Bund).

       Peter Haffner

      When I visited Zygmunt Bauman for the first time, I was astonished by what seemed a contradiction between the person and his work. Arguably the most influential European sociologist, someone whose anger about the state of the world can be felt in his every line, Bauman enchanted me with his wry sense of humour. His charm was disarming, his joie de vivre infectious.

      It was this epic view of the world that fascinated me when I began to read his books. It is impossible to remain indifferent to what Zygmunt Bauman writes, even if one does not agree with one or other of the points he makes – or, indeed, even if one disagrees with him altogether. Whoever engages with his work comes away viewing the world, and him- or herself, differently. Zygmunt Bauman described his task as that of making the familiar unfamiliar and the unfamiliar familiar. This, he said, is the task of sociology as such.

      This task can only be approached by someone who has the whole human being in view and who moves beyond his or her particular discipline and into philosophy, psychology, anthropology and history, art and literature. Zygmunt Bauman is not someone for minute details, statistical analyses and polls, figures, facts or projections. He draws his pictures with a broad brush on a large canvas, formulates claims, introduces new theses into discussions and provokes disputes. In terms of Isaiah Berlin’s famous typology of thinkers and writers – based on the dictum of the Greek poet Archilochos that ‘The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing’ – Zygmunt Bauman is both hedgehog and fox.1 He introduced the concept of ‘liquid modernity’ to describe our present times, wherein all aspects of life – love, friendship, work, leisure, family, community, society, religion, politics and power – are transformed at unprecedented speed. ‘My life is spent recycling information’, he once said. That sounds modest until one appreciates the amount of material involved.

      Zygmunt Bauman welcomed me to his house in Leeds, England, for four long conversations on his life’s work. The enchanting front garden, with its moss-covered chairs and its table overgrown by shrubs, borders on a busy road, as if to illustrate that it is only through contradiction that things become fully clear. At 90 years of age, Zygmunt

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